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Posted by: Pete TITLE: BALLOON:   Velvet Deluxe?
I picked up this bike today has a stamped brass headbadge
says "Velvet Deluxe" in script lettering. No place of manufacture.
Has a Morrow hub, 1" pitch cogs and skip link chain.
Rims are wood core with steel wrap. No tires.
Frame has two top tubes, fork had truss rods (missing), handle bar has a truss, or reinforcing bar connecting both sides.
Seat is missing but post is bent style.
Forgive poor terminology, this old a bike is new ground for me. Not sure if it~s a balloon bike or middleweight.
Can~t find "Velvet Deluxe" on this site or anywhere else for that matter; does that mean it so rare it~s priceless, or no one cares?
Anyone heard of this brand?
Thanks for any info.
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Posted by John M.
Wrong group? I don~tknow. Could your bike be called a "safety" bike? Anyway who cares. I~m interested in them all and there are very knowledgable people in this group.I~m learning all the time!
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Posted by Pete
Did I mention this bike has a lovely coat of house paint on
it? All of it! Everything save the handgrips and chain.
I~ve stripped the Morrow hub shell and found what appears to be a date code of "I3", or manufactured in Mar of 1939.
No rust just got painted with the rest of bike.
Haven~t seen a chainring styled like this one yet and I~m far from expert.
It~s still coated in paint so maybe there~s a name under there. I~ll look.
Thanks.
btw: Is this technically the wrong discussion group for this bike?


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Posted by sam
Wood rims were offered until WW2 on most makes,but after schwinn came out with the balloon tire bike in 1934,most of the ads. only show the balloon bike and list the woodwheel in the fine print.
Also most bikes were sold not by brand(like a schwinn or Columbia etc)but by private stores--so your badge may only be from a hardware store that originaly sold the bike.
sometimes these bikes can be I.D.ed by the frame sprocket---sam
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Posted by Pete
Thanks, I found this at work yesterday:

http://www.strandcruisers.com/morrow/default.htm
It has a dating chart too.
Hopefully I can find the date code and see if it makes sense,
ie; like we normally assume the hub date is bike~s year of manufacture on the S-A equipped bikes.
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Posted by John M.
I found an exploded view of a Morrow hub of skip tooth design at www.nostalgic.net. www.bikeicons.com has middleweights and balooners separated into catagories. Generally a middleweight uses 26x1.75 tires and the balooners use bigger tires of say 26x2.0 or more.
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Posted by Gordon
Collecting and Restoring Antique Bicycles lists 2100 American Brands made prior to 1918, and there is no mention of a Velvet. I guess that could mean it is either foreign or made after 1918. Or, it is possible it is on they didn~t discover when publishing the book. I would guess it is post 1918 because of the clad rims. I think they were just wood up through the teens.
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Posted by Pete
John,
Thanks.
I~m near Reading, Pa and the idea of a small local manufacturer crossed my mind.
Is there a website that gets into what makes it a balloon bike vs a middleweight vs pre-balloon? The boundries seem a bit fuzzy.
I~ve been through a bunch of pictures on this site looking for something similar, no luck yet.
Maybe I~ll find something under the brushed on paint if I~m careful. It was red originally. Too old for decals?
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Posted by John M.
I~d say you have a very old bike and this is the reason you are having difficulty finding info. I~ll keep looking as I~m interested in bicycle history. It deffinately is not
middleweight and is likely pre-balloon. I~d guess early 1900s or ealier. There were hundreds if not thousands of small makers who never got beyond regional circulation and much early history is lost so it may be hard so patience will be necessary. Don~t give up!
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