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Posted by: Eric TITLE: AGE / VALUE:   International Columbias of Mystery (ICOMs)
I have two bikes with Columbia head badges, but the serial numbers are not where they are "supposed" to be. I have searched all over (even found posts here about one of the models, but no information). Just trying to figure out years, and maybe a link to a source so I can see if they have the "correct" components for restoration.

The only stamped numbers on the frames are on the head tubes.

First bike is a Columbia "Clipper". HB says "Clipper by Columbia". A five-character code is stamped on right side of HT; there are no spaces between the characters. The first character is the capital letter "O" or, possibly a "D". The remaining characters are the numbers 5524. The following code is stamped on the left side of the head tube: 5 C15 1252. I am attaching a pic of this bike.

Second does not have a model name on the frame, but on the chainguard it says "Roadster" (not the original Columbia Roadster, I~m sure!). It has a stamp only on the head tube. The code is "9 208 3349".

I am attaching a pic of the "Clipper."

Thanks for any help you can provide.

Eric


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Posted by David
Ask Charlie Persons at Persons-Majestic Co www.permaco.com
His company had something to do with that saddle.
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Posted by Eric
Steve-

Thanks for your reply! I~ll post a link to a photo of the headbadge as soon as I can, but 1980s makes more sense for this bike. It has a Shimano coaster brake and a Japanese "Win" stem, both of which must be 60s at the earliest.

It~s just a little weird still. Here~s why:

The seat, with its front spring, appears to be really old. On the bottom it says "Persons Product" ... I~ve looked for more info about older Persons saddles, but haven~t found anything which would help me date it.

Also, the headbadge on this bike (and the other one to which I referred in my original post) is not one of metal riveted to the head tube, but of silvered plastic (in the case of the Clipper) and just a paper sticker in the case of the other bike.

The headbadges and the "missing" serial numbers have led me to suspect all along that I did not have anything really old, but the difficulty of getting access to information has made this hard to confirm.

If the headbadge is a sticker, does that definitely rule out the bikes being pre-1972?

And anybody have any expertise on the older Persons saddles?

Thanks!!
Eric

P.S. At any rate, I~ve got another mystery frame I~ll post a pic of shortly which I /do/ think is something you~all will be interested in.
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Posted by Steve
Eric do you have a pic of the headbadge? There were Columbia Clippers actually produced in the ~80s (that~s 1980. I have never seen one in person but there was one recently on eBay. The seat on your bike looks older, but maybe it was just abused. Also the fork (from what I can see) looks newer in style.
Steve
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Posted by Eric
Thanks, Rod. I have examined these charts on this website and others many times. But as I indicated in my original post, none of the numbers stamped on these bikes follow the form, nor are they in the expected location (left rear dropout), of Columbia serial numbers. Yet these bikes have genuine Columbia headbadges.

I wrote the silly subject line and included a photo hoping to attract more than "look at the chart." Would someone just look at the photo and tell me what this bike looks like? (pre-war, post-war, 70s Taiwanese, any clue at all!).

Thanks,
Eric
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Posted by rod
If you~re interested in serial # info on the Columbias you have, you can click to the serial # charts on this site. Good luck!
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Posted by Eric
OK. One more try. To view the photo, replace the apostrophe before "evmartin" in the URL with a tilde.

Eric
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Posted by Eric
Oopsie. There is a snafu in the URL for the photo. Correct URL is:

http://ella.slis.indiana.edu/~evmartin/bikestuff/frame-retouched.jpg
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